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John MacDonald: Was the Treaty Principles debate worth it?

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John MacDonald,
Publish Date
Fri, 11 Apr 2025, 12:44pm
Act leader David Seymour during the second reading of the Treaty Principles Bill yesterday. Photo / Mark Mitchell
Act leader David Seymour during the second reading of the Treaty Principles Bill yesterday. Photo / Mark Mitchell

John MacDonald: Was the Treaty Principles debate worth it?

Author
John MacDonald,
Publish Date
Fri, 11 Apr 2025, 12:44pm

The Treaty Principles Bill is history. Done and dusted. But ACT leader David Seymour, who came up with the bill in the first place, has no regrets.   

And it鈥檚 not done and dusted, as far as he鈥檚 concerned.  

He could bring it back again. But I think what he鈥檚 most likely to do is make it a campaign issue in next year鈥檚 general election, or try to get a more explicit equality provision in the Bill of Rights Act.  

All he鈥檚 saying is: 鈥淚 accepted that they've decided on this particular bill at this point in time.鈥 Going on to say: 鈥渨atch this space鈥.  

But whatever happens in the future, the questions at this point are: was the whole thing worth it? And did we learn anything?  

I tell you what I鈥檝e learned 鈥 although, it鈥檚 probably something that I knew anyway. But what I鈥檝e taken away from all this is that, wherever we are on the political spectrum, we are not as open to new ideas as much as we might like to think so.  

The Treaty Principles Bill got those on the left extremely agitated and excited. Just like 3 Waters got those on the right extremely agitated and excited.  

I was against it because I think any agreement shouldn鈥檛 be tinkered with 鈥 especially when you get Parliament poking its nose in and tinkering with it.  

And that鈥檚 what the Treaty is. It鈥檚 an agreement.  

The real problem is how the Treaty has been interpreted and used. For example: I鈥檓 against the Treaty being used to influence criminal sentences. I鈥檓 against the Treaty being used as a reason not to hire the best person for the job.   

But that鈥檚 not the Treaty鈥檚 fault. That鈥檚 the fault of the institutions and the organisations and the individuals who have enabled that to happen.  

Because let鈥檚 say the Treaty Principles Bill hadn鈥檛 been binned yesterday and it went through all the stages and ended up being law, do you really think it would have made things any better or any different?  

Because the idea behind it 鈥攁s David Seymour is still saying today鈥 was to ensure everyone is treated equally. But what does 鈥渢reated equally鈥 mean?  

I bet we鈥檝e all got different ideas of what that is. For example, if the Treaty principles were changed in the way David Seymour wants them to be, what鈥檚 to stop a judge (for example) seeing this so-called 鈥渆qual treatment鈥 being a licence to give a lighter sentence to someone from a disadvantaged background? So for me, the focus needs to be much more on how the treaty principles are applied, not the principles themselves.  

As to whether it鈥檚 been worth the effort and whether it鈥檚 been a waste of time 鈥 at this point, I think it has been a huge waste of time, energy, and money.    

But it won鈥檛 have been a waste if we do learn from this and realise that it鈥檚 not the Treaty itself but the way that it鈥檚 applied that鈥檚 the real issue.  

If we鈥檙e big enough 鈥攅ven those of us who opposed David Seymour鈥檚 bill鈥 to see that we have learned something out of the process, then it won鈥檛 have been a waste.   

But as I say, this whole thing has shown me again how incapable we are 鈥攁s a country鈥 of having the so-called 鈥済rown up conversations鈥 David Seymour thinks we should be having.  

And if we can鈥檛 get beyond that, then there鈥檚 no doubt this whole thing has been a complete waste of time. 

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